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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby guts » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:03 am

Digital TV is going to suck shit. The worst thing about digital is that if you get a bit of interference or low signal it just cuts out, no "snow," it's retarded.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby Keranu » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:02 pm

It just doesn't cut out with ease too; it lags and loves making that annoying screeching sound. Even when you get a signal, the station probably has digital artifact on par with VCD quality.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby esteban » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:30 pm

Yeah, for all the hoopla surrounding DVD's and Digital TV, I have to say that they are not without their annoyances.

1. DVD's are, in a weird way, more fragile than VHS tapes. No, I don't hate DVD's, I love them, but it just seems that unless you have a decent DVD player, even minor scuffs on a DVD cause havoc (pixelation being the least of the problems)... now, VHS tapes, even on a crappy VHS player, could be outright abused and they would still PLAY. Sure, it sucked when the sound got muffled on a VHS tape, or when a segment of the tape suffered visually, but a VHS tape could take a lot of abuse that will scratch a DVD.

DVD wins when it comes to sitting in the sun, though :).

DVD in decent shape = life is good. DVD with one too many scuffs/scratches = frustration. VHS was sturdier in this respect. It would be silly if we had enclosed DVD's (they'd be so bulky), but VHS cases (enclosing the tape) really helped the rental business, I think. I've had so many annoying things happen with rented DVD's (including Netflix).... definitely more than rented VHS.

2. Dear lord, did I just write all that? What the hell is wrong with me?

3. Same deal goes for Digital TV: it's weird that we have to settle for an "all or nothing" approach to television. Pixelation and hiccups are common with most cable/Fios carriers. Yeah, even Fios. Old school cable, in my world, was pretty damn reliable.

Don't get me wrong, I love HD... it looks fantastic. But is it too much to hope for 100% hiccup free service?

4. Verizon Fios, which I was lucky enough to get a long time ago, is better than our previous digital tv service (cable), but I stupidly believed all the hype and thought it would be PERFECT. There were times when I purchased movies (streaming) and they were UNWATCHABLE. Do they want my money, or not?

5. I got Roku a week ago and it rocks. Xbox 360 is too noisy, otherwise it would be neat to stream Netflix with Xbox.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby guts » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:45 pm

I agree man, DVDs are total shit for renting. I miss analog for a lot of things. Blurays are pretty cool though, you get all the benefits of a DVD but they have a super thick scratch-resistant coating on them that makes them really, really hard to scratch. I've got a ton from netflix and the only 2 I had problems with were ones the post office cracked during shipping.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby Keranu » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:04 pm

I'm not afraid to admit that I've become a DVD hater over recent years. And yeah those damn things will skip, screetch, freeze, and what not over the slightest of scratches and scruffs. I've even had brand new DVDs skip before. And this is purely preference, but I think analog video just looks so much more natural for watching a film. Kinda like how it feels all warm to listen to music on vinyl instead. Not to mention when it comes to TV and radio, I love being able to manually tune into channels to get just the right reception.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby nat » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:04 am

I can deal with the artifacting and shit that will be endemic to digital TV, what really pisses me off though is that I will have to pay the cable company a whole bunch of fucking money for a stupid shitty box for every fucking room I want to watch TV in. The whole thing just sounds like a way for the cable/video/whatever industry to get richer while we get poorer. Whose idea was it to mandate this "conversion" anyway? One of Obama's first actions in office was to delay the conversion deadline, which I'm really happy about, but I think he should've gone a step further and just made it completely optional.

It's sad; the generation of kids growing up these days will never know the joys of trying to watch the Playboy channel through a bunch of snow and fuzz and the glee that results from catching a glimpse of the odd nipple or boob.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby guts » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:29 am

They sold all the space in the broadcast spectrum that analog tv takes up to like cell phone companies or something for some ridiculous amount around 15 billion, that's why we have to switch.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby tommy_pce » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:47 am

nat wrote:It's sad; the generation of kids growing up these days will never know the joys of trying to watch the Playboy channel through a bunch of snow and fuzz and the glee that results from catching a glimpse of the odd nipple or boob.


Quoted for truth :D

Life was hard before the internet. I mean, you relied on luck that someone threw their (or their husbands) stacks of porn mags into the alley or someone accidentally dropping it in the street. Nowadays, you'll never find any kind of porn just randomly sitting on the ground. And putting rocks/dirt inside soda/beer cans before crushing them, to get a little extra $ when returning them to the local grocer. The 80's were some good times. Gets me all misty-eyed.

I remember back when TV's weren't cable ready and you had to have a cable box in each room regardless (if you wanted channels above 13). Maybe they'll standardize the cable's digital signal too so you don't need a separate decoder box for each TV in the house. I also heard that cable was approved for a delay passed the OTA date. Something like 2 years?

Then there's the crap they call acceptable bandwidth that they reserve for each station. Sure, the premium stations have higher bandwidth - but it's still not enough to eliminate those damn block artifacts let alone for regular channels. It's a joke.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby Keranu » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:22 am

nat wrote:It's sad; the generation of kids growing up these days will never know the joys of trying to watch the Playboy channel through a bunch of snow and fuzz and the glee that results from catching a glimpse of the odd nipple or boob.

Haha, yeah I was going to mention that! I actually got a pretty decent signal on Skinemax back in the day. We had this one crappy cable service once that would screw up somehow and let the Pay-Per-View channel work for us sometimes. Back then that was a real treat since we couldn't download movies and didn't have to go out to rent them or have them arrive in the mail.
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Re: random thoughts on 1943

Postby esteban » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:51 pm

nat wrote:...I will have to pay the cable company a whole bunch of fucking money for a stupid shitty box for every fucking room I want to watch TV in.
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... the glee that results from catching a glimpse of the odd nipple or boob.

Here, here.

New Rant: We truly go in circles when it comes to "new" technology.

Back when cell phones first became minstream (more affordable) in the mid- to late-90's, I thought it was so kool that they could play video games.

Cutting edge cell phone ---> SNAKE!
Yes, an ancient ASCII game had made a comeback. There were a bunch of ASCII games that my friends had on their cell phones... eventually some fancier graphics and sprites became standard.

Cutting edge digital TV --> CABLE BOXES!
It was the GODDAM LATE 80's - EARLY 90's when "cable-ready" TV's and VCR's were going mainstream. Goodbye huge ugly, clunmky cable boxes! Goodbye crappy remote from cable company!

Cutting edge video games ---> LOADING SCREENS!
It's like a blast from the past, in a bad way! I remember having to "Please insert floppy disk #2 now." for epic games on early PC, Apple II and C64 games. Then, the glories of waiting for the new content to load. Even if a game wasn't epic, many games had a really annoying installation process, where you went through several floppies and it took forever!

Today's games are worth the wait, and we've probably grown impatient, but why do I have to wait at a loading screen between EACH AND EVERY SONG in Rock Band 2? This is 2009, goddammmit! Xbox 360 should be able to read my mind and pre-load the next song I want to play!

Cutting edge video displays/resolution --> INCONSISTENCY!
Back in the day, I have many fond memories of being excited because my friend had graduated from CGA, or EGA?, to VGA (or was it EVGA?), and some games actually supported the higher resolutions and larger color palettes. DOS gaming at its finest (for real).

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have options. It was nice that some companies offered upgraded versions of their games. It resulted in an inconsistent experience, though.

Today, with all the wacky tv displays and video devices, I feel we've come full-circle. 480i, 1080p, 720p, , 1080i, 2600 (includes paddles and RF switch), etc.

Which resolution is default? Which resolution is supported by your hardware? Which resolution is supported by your TV? What games support any of this?

"Dude, check out the new XGA monitor I just got! "Barbarian" is going to look like a goddam arcade game!" -- John, 1989
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